From: | Timothy Pilkington <timothy.pilkington@sjc.ox.ac.uk> |
To: | Matthew Hoyle <MHoyle@oeclaw.co.uk> |
Frederick Wilmot-Smith <frederick.wilmot-smith@all-souls.ox.ac.uk> | |
Jason W Neyers <jneyers@uwo.ca> | |
obligations <obligations@uwo.ca> | |
Date: | 31/01/2023 17:27:51 UTC |
Subject: | Re: The Laws of Restitution |
Yes, I agree the remuneration well above market rate is relevant. I think the question is whether he can be regarded as having ‘taken the risk’ of non-payment in circumstances where
the property didn’t sell for 6.5million because of a mistaken valuation that didn’t come to light until after the service had been rendered.
From:
Matthew Hoyle <MHoyle@oeclaw.co.uk>
Date: Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 5:11 PM
To: Timothy Pilkington <timothy.pilkington@sjc.ox.ac.uk>, Frederick Wilmot-Smith <frederick.wilmot-smith@all-souls.ox.ac.uk>, Jason W Neyers <jneyers@uwo.ca>, obligations <obligations@uwo.ca>
Subject: RE: The Laws of Restitution
He was to receive a payment
well above market rate. On his construction of the contract he was never bearing any risk – either he got a massive uplift or he got paid the going rate for the work he was doing.
In my view that is the distinction with the Hylane case. Once the agent had failed to secure a price above £35k and the defendant refused to sell, the mandate fell away
and a new contract, remunerating him on a flat market rate was put in place instead. If the property had eventually sold for more than £35k (recall that it ultimately sold for £31k, more than was offered at the auction) he would not have got anything more
than the market rate. He had ceased to gamble and instead accepted a lower risk remuneration package.
Matthew Hoyle
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From: Timothy Pilkington <timothy.pilkington@sjc.ox.ac.uk>
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To: Frederick Wilmot-Smith <frederick.wilmot-smith@all-souls.ox.ac.uk>; Matthew Hoyle <MHoyle@oeclaw.co.uk>; Jason W Neyers <jneyers@uwo.ca>; obligations <obligations@uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: The Laws of Restitution
That’s also my interpretation, Fred (i.e. that they think that (5) is the correct interpretation). Rather harsh on Mr Barton.
From:
Frederick Wilmot-Smith <frederick.wilmot-smith@all-souls.ox.ac.uk>
Date: Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 4:54 PM
To: Timothy Pilkington <timothy.pilkington@sjc.ox.ac.uk>, Matthew Hoyle <MHoyle@oeclaw.co.uk>, Jason W Neyers <jneyers@uwo.ca>,
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Subject: Re: The Laws of Restitution
I’ve copied Tim L’s comment beneath Tim P’s to keep them in a thread and respond to check I understand the difference between an ‘only if’ and an ‘iff’ construction
(5 vs 6). Am I right that the distinction between (5) and (6) matters only when it comes to working out what obligation is precedent or subsequent upon what?
So: if the propositions are (and are they?) ‘there is an obligation to pay’ (oP) and ‘there was a relevant introduction’ (I), then am I right that:
and that
?
The biconditional won’t be correct if the obligation to pay was precedent to the obligation to perform, but the strict conditional is possible even if there was an initial
obligation to pay.
Meaning: on no view can (6) be correct because on no view was Barton entitled to anything prior to an introduction. If there is any reference to ‘if and only
if’ then, it must be an imprecision of expression.
I take it that the majority must think the that it’s (5) since there is no other way to make sense of the suggestion that an obligation to pay would be inconsistent
with the contract’s express terms.
From: Timothy Pilkington <timothy.pilkington@sjc.ox.ac.uk>
Date: Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 16:40
To: Matthew Hoyle <MHoyle@oeclaw.co.uk>, Jason W Neyers <jneyers@uwo.ca>, obligations <obligations@uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: The Laws of Restitution
Congrats Rob!
I don’t think it would change the result (which seems dubious).
If the contract provided for payment and that payment isn’t made as promised, I tend to think there can still be a failure of condition/failure of basis (cf. the High Court of Australia in
Mann v Paterson). This is supported by, e.g., Pavey & Matthews and other cases where restitution for a failure of condition has been awarded where the price was earned but not paid.
Best,
Tim
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T.H.Liau@lse.ac.uk
Date: Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 16:39
To: Matthew Hoyle MHoyle@oeclaw.co.uk, Jason W Neyers
jneyers@uwo.ca, obligations
obligations@uwo.ca
Subject: RE: The Laws of Restitution
I’ve only very briefly skimmed the case. But what the ‘contract provided’, and therefore whether there was any room for restitution, would have surely depended on whether
the agreement was that:
Unfortunately this was not unpacked all that clearly. Based on the result, it seems to me the majority must have decided either on 5. or 6. (despite the wording in the
judgment sometimes indicating the other formulations).
Best
Tim
From:
Matthew Hoyle <MHoyle@oeclaw.co.uk>
Date: Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 4:15 PM
To: Jason W Neyers <jneyers@uwo.ca>, obligations <obligations@uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: The Laws of Restitution
Nothing in the book would change the result in Barton if it were accepted. It’s a contract case all the way down.
The claimant rendered his performance on the basis of the terms of the contract, which was at all times valid and effective. Either the contract provided for payment (in which case, clearly no failure of basis)
or it didn’t and it was a gamble on the price the property sold for (in which case, I don’t get my stake back when I bet on red and it comes up black).
Matthew
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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2023 4:11:09 PM
To: obligations <obligations@uwo.ca>
Subject: ODG: The Laws of Restitution
Dear Colleagues:
Congratulations go out to ODGer Robert Stevens on the publication of his newest book with OUP:
The Laws of Restitution (2023):
https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-laws-of-restitution-9780192885029?q=robert%20stevens&lang=en&cc=gb#
A 30% discount is available by using the instructions on the attached order form.
If anyone
has any comments, small or large, Rob would be grateful to have them at
robert.stevens@law.ox.ac.uk (“Except for pointing out typos. Please wait for six months before telling me of them,” he says.)
From the description:
In
The Laws of Restitution, Robert Stevens shows that there is no unified law of restitution or unjust enrichment. Instead, there are seven or eight different kinds of private law claim, depending on how you count them, which have nothing important in common
one with another that have been grouped together by commentators. Few of these claims have anything to do with enrichment, and what is restituted differs between them. Like all private law claims, those gathered here concern (in)justice between individuals,
but they have no further unity. Many of them are not based upon an agreement or a wrong, but that negative feature has no utility. "Restitution" or "unjust enrichment' should cease to be discussed as unified areas of law.
With close attention to caselaw and legislation, the work identifies and describes the various reasons for "restitution" that any properly constructed system of private law ought to recognise. It explains how the law of restitution relates to, and is bound
up with, contract, torts, equity, and property law.
A query; Would accepting any of Professor’s Stevens insights change the result, or reasons offered, in
Barton v Morris [2023] UKSC 3?
Happy Reading,
Jason Neyers
Professor of Law
Faculty of Law
Western University
Law Building Rm 26
e. jneyers@uwo.ca
t. 519.661.2111 (x88435)
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